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Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:52:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Is it ok that because he's the head of CSM, that he can do whatever he wants?
It's not like his post actually means anything. I mean, the fact that someone who considers it a reasonable act to encourage bullying people to suicide is heading the CSM pretty much proves how much of a joke that "office" really is.
You really think that he is holding an office of importance? That his actions reflect poorly upon anything but him? I think that's taking things a bit too seriously. Why get worked up over this CSM crap? Seriously **** him, **** them, **** the CSM if that's what it's about. I'm just going to keep playing this game as if nothing Mittens did or said meant **** all to me...which is basically how it is.
He's an interesting pop celebrity that every once in a while makes the news in some humorous way. He's akin to Mel Gibson ranting about Jews and ****...and he's just as relevant.
Now, if the CSM actually wants to be relevant and provide something that should be taken seriously by anyone...I'd expect that he'd apologize or be booted off the panel, yeah. But you know...just as everyone supporting his statements wants us to believe...it's all a bunch of bullshit and the people who care about it are idiots to be laughed at. Not being one to continue on a path of idiocy, I say...who gives a ****. Let the CSM be made the mockery that it truly is. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:32:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
You can't say that The Mittani lacks in the irony department. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:38:00 -
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Pheusia wrote:Genuinely suicidal people don't go around ablooblooblooing about it all the time and using threats to kill themselves to get there own way. That's sulky spoiled children who do that.
Some actually do come right out and say it. Had a friend of mine tell another that he was going to. Was pretty pissed off at the guy for a long time because he never did or said anything about it....and dude killed himself. Was a really good guy. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 17:35:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Bane Necran wrote:EnderCapitalG, as fun as blaming the victim is, you can't freely run over jaywalkers because they should be on the crosswalk.
Just because he gave you the opportunity doesn't mean you're justified to act on it. Well hitting people with your car is against the law. Making fun of stupid people isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyber-bullying#United_States
It's coming. I find it unfortunate that laws like this end up having to be made. Too often they are poorly worded and we end up with nanny-state like crap. I blew up your ship, you claim harassment, and I have to prove my innocence in court for the next 20 years. I say that believing in a sky fairy that answers wishes is stupid, and end up in jail.
People keep crossing the line though and it is those people who cause this kind of destruction to occur. They target people who they know are weak in some way, believing they are immune from harm as they attack and attack and attack (and they're probably right). This cannot be allowed and our legislature knows this....and they'll do something incredibly stupid in response.
I'm willing to hope that the statement was just idiocy and there wasn't any actual intent that people continuously harass someone in the game with hopes to get them to quit or worse. Although I support griefing, there's a point where it crosses the line and that's it.
It may make you feel better about yourself to claim that either way it's better for humanity, that even if the guy is suicidal you're helping clean up the gene pool (as you in fact did)....this has no basis in truth and exposes an inherent ignorance about genetics. It's just plain false and stupid. It can serve no other purpose than self-justification for an inherently mean-spirited, childish, and borderline sociopathic attitude toward others. It doesn't prove that you're strong, intelligent, rational people willing to accept the hard truths. Quite the opposite in fact. It's cowardice, it's ignorant, and it's disgusting.
So when laws are created that make it illegal to joke about people online, you can thank yourself for that. I'm not going to. I'll be too busy walking on the egg-shells that you created. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:05:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
I don't believe that anyone present thought that the scam victim was serious in any way, certainly Mittani didn't. If it had come across as a serious intention the response from Mittani and everyone else present would have been significantly different.
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Worst case scenario, a request for the Mittani to apologize might be appropriate... but that's about as close to a mountain as this mole hill should get.
Yes, I'd be very content to see him explain that he didn't believe this person to really be suicidal and he didn't really intend to encourage people to grief someone to death or out of game. If he simply apologized for the statement, explained himself...etc...whatever...he'd have my support in this.
Based on responses from that end though, I suspect that not only will this not happen...but that you're completely wrong about his intentions. I mean, they're saying **** like that it'd be a good thing for humanity if the guy offed himself. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:32:00 -
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My Neutral Toon wrote: Its why they tell people to "LOOK FOR SIGNS" of suicidal behavior because genuine suicidal people don't make their intentions public. Mittens just harped on this fact and apparently all the softies got mad.
Well, as I mentioned elsewhere I know of at least one account of a person who did in fact commit suicide stating his intent before hand.
Another thing that's probably worth consideration here is the anonymity of the Internet. The ongoing phenomenon of people saying and doing things they might otherwise not do, due to social pressures, could also have an effect here and I don't think we can just assume that because people don't usually warn about their suicide before hand in person...that they won't on the Internet to complete strangers.
Another thing I'd like to stress is that the factual nature of his suicidal tendencies are rather beside the point to me on the issue. The kind of griefing that The Mitanni was encouraging is not a legitimate game tactic, but cyber-stalking/bullying plain and simple. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 18:42:00 -
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Yumi Sagara wrote:No normal person would ever consider doing something like that.
I think you'd be shocked what the normal person would consider. We're not as awesome as we like to think. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:18:00 -
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Xython wrote:You guys are noticing that most of the posts are now goons mocking you or people pointing out that you're all wrong, right?
Thought I'd pop in and respond to this.
I still think what Mittens said was majorly assholish. I also find a great deal of the statements made by his supporters in these threads to be rather disgusting.
I just don't think there's anything new to say here. I don't spend all my life trying to convince The Westburough Baptists ******* that they're a bunch of cunts either....and they troll a lot harder than you lot.
At some point you've just got to figure what's going to be will be. I suppose that if what Mitten's said and does actually mattered more than it does that I'd be more inclined to spend more time arguing with brick walls. As it is...I think I'd rather just chalk this off as another example of cultural decay in the modern world and move on with my all too short existence.
Only people who've bought their own hype could believe that a group of howlers winning at the biggest noise contest could actually mean anything. Again, not a major sign of intelligence. Let the lemmings run off the cliff I say. If they think the group must know right, let them test that hypothesis. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:46:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Marduk Nibiru wrote:Xython wrote:You guys are noticing that most of the posts are now goons mocking you or people pointing out that you're all wrong, right? Thought I'd pop in and respond to this. I still think what Mittens said was majorly assholish. I also find a great deal of the statements made by his supporters in these threads to be rather disgusting. I just don't think there's anything new to say here. I don't spend all my life trying to convince The Westburough Baptists ******* that they're a bunch of cunts either....and they troll a lot harder than you lot. At some point you've just got to figure what's going to be will be. I suppose that if what Mitten's said and does actually mattered more than it does that I'd be more inclined to spend more time arguing with brick walls. As it is...I think I'd rather just chalk this off as another example of cultural decay in the modern world and move on with my all too short existence. Only people who've bought their own hype could believe that a group of howlers winning at the biggest noise contest could actually mean anything. Again, not a major sign of intelligence. Let the lemmings run off the cliff I say. If they think the group must know right, let them test that hypothesis. Yeah cause none of use have had to deal with someone they love committing suicide or anything? Sorry what he did is indefensible he crossed the line.
What an interesting response to what I said. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:58:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions. So am I correct in assuming that you believe it is acceptable for a CSM to suggest that people break the game rules? What if a CSM told people to start botting, and gave them good locations to do it in where they wouldn't get caught? Would that also be acceptable?
I can imagine a context in which it would be. Considering that the players have been trying to get CCP to do something about botting for a long time, if the CSM became aware of CCP allowing botting somewhere...or making a game change to make botting easier...etc...yeah. It'd probably get them sued, but I can see a case for whistleblowing there and that could involve telling people how to take advantage of the problem. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:53:00 -
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Akelorian wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
Well he resigned as Chair, its the minimum he could do really. So for the moment I'm satisfied and back to spaceships. All the best everyone :)
Just an attempt to soften any blow from ccp that The Mittani would get, and if CCP does fall for it... would be such a shame
Some people are just never happy.
Look on the bright side though. Now there's less standing between E-UNI and it's attempt to turn EvE into a dec-shielded carebear festival. |
Marduk Nibiru
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:09:00 -
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Well, looks like there's going to be a lot of interesting stuff going on this year...thanks to the goons.
Burning down Jita...should be a lovely party. |
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